I have no idea what the fuck morel means with producer/consumer scale since every working person is a producer and consumer. It sounds irrelevant and retarded,

What do you think benefits society more, you personally churning butter for 12h a day or your 5 million in the bank?

i don't think anyone should have 5mil in the first place you fucking dolt.

i also don't think anyone should make money without actually doing anything.

did you read this thread at all or are you just shitting your retarded views out with reckless abandon as per usual?

joe idk what you're smoking if you think that communism/socialism is doomed to fail because ~human nature~

that represents a very serious misunderstanding of what a socialist economy is and how it would look in our society. e.g.: we could take our current society and by law convert all corporations into worker owned collectives in which all employees are stakeholders and are paid out depending on the business' success. Businesses like this already exist, for example, in the UK we have the John Lewis partnership which paid out a 17% of salary bonus to all employees at christmas last year.

this would fit the definition of a socialist society (i.e.: the profit accrued through taking capital, applying labour and selling the finished product goes to the workers, not the sole owner or investment class shareholders of the businesses (capitalists))
I wouldn't structure it such like that but this merely serves as an example.

this example wouldn't simply immediately fail and stop working because human nature, indeed, studies have shown that after a certain point, money becomes secondary in motivating someone at their job and other factors like self-actualisation and self-control over workflow become more dominant. to keep up the theme of the thread:


furthermore, it's not even factually true that the soviet communist economic model was a failure. at the end, yes, you had the ridiculous model villages and so on, but these were more an artefact of the totalitarian stalinist regime of fear than any actual flaw in the system itself - if you were second in command at a factory and saw your boss get disappeared by secret police for not reporting "the right numbers", even if he was just telling the truth, would you continue to tell the truth or would you just report "the right numbers"?
put it this way - during WW1, russia was a backwater agricultural nation. in 1917, ten nations either sent arms or actual armies into russia to try and put down the revolution and damage russia as much as possible. again after 1945, the Allies were belligerent towards russia and bombed it and invaded the eastern front (iirc, it's 3am and not 100% sure of the exact facts. churchill certainly talked a big game about killing bolsheviks as i recall). despite these factors, russia went from a shithole farmville country which had just lost the majority of its prime male population in two world wars to end up beating out the USA's economy for several years. it was the first country to put a man into space ffs. that's pretty fucking impressive however you want to spin it, considering the historical circumstances leading up to it.

also stop trying to smear the guy by associating with stalinism. what is this the 50s, congressman mccarthy? you can criticise them but let the man have his political views without shitting on them with some kind of wacky american PINKO COMMIE LIE-BERAL TRAITOR bile being spewed all over your posts jesus

would u prefer to drop another attempt at condescension before rollin out??