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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:26 pm 
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I have no idea what the fuck morel means with producer/consumer scale since every working person is a producer and consumer. It sounds irrelevant and retarded,


that's the point i'm trying to make you retarded faggot

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:06 pm 
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What do you think benefits society more, you personally churning butter for 12h a day or your 5 million in the bank?

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:14 pm 
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William DeMeo wrote:
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What do you think benefits society more, you personally churning butter for 12h a day or your 5 million in the bank?


i don't think anyone should have 5mil in the first place you fucking dolt. i also don't think anyone should make money without actually doing anything.

did you read this thread at all or are you just shitting your retarded views out with reckless abandon as per usual?

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
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arguing with demeo :chunkymilk:

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:07 pm 
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Nexus Kinnon wrote:
William DeMeo wrote:
William DeMeo wrote:
What do you think benefits society more, you personally churning butter for 12h a day or your 5 million in the bank?


i don't think anyone should have 5mil in the first place you fucking dolt.


You would if you realized economics isn't a zero-sum game and that prosperity benefits everyone. Sorta why living standards have improved a thousand-fold over the last 2 centuries.

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i also don't think anyone should make money without actually doing anything.


You're right, who cares about the actual benefit of an action? Making sure everyone is a slave out of spite is definitively more important than the availability goods and services.


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did you read this thread at all or are you just shitting your retarded views out with reckless abandon as per usual?


I read your post

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
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ah yes m8 ur right technology and thus living standards have improved over the last two centuries

that's called human ingenuity, not capitalism, but nice try

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:16 pm 
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"it just happened"

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:39 pm 
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Nexus Kinnon wrote:
joe idk what you're smoking if you think that communism/socialism is doomed to fail because ~human nature~

that represents a very serious misunderstanding of what a socialist economy is and how it would look in our society. e.g.: we could take our current society and by law convert all corporations into worker owned collectives in which all employees are stakeholders and are paid out depending on the business' success. Businesses like this already exist, for example, in the UK we have the John Lewis partnership which paid out a 17% of salary bonus to all employees at christmas last year.

this would fit the definition of a socialist society (i.e.: the profit accrued through taking capital, applying labour and selling the finished product goes to the workers, not the sole owner or investment class shareholders of the businesses (capitalists))
I wouldn't structure it such like that but this merely serves as an example.

this example wouldn't simply immediately fail and stop working because human nature, indeed, studies have shown that after a certain point, money becomes secondary in motivating someone at their job and other factors like self-actualisation and self-control over workflow become more dominant. to keep up the theme of the thread:


furthermore, it's not even factually true that the soviet communist economic model was a failure. at the end, yes, you had the ridiculous model villages and so on, but these were more an artefact of the totalitarian stalinist regime of fear than any actual flaw in the system itself - if you were second in command at a factory and saw your boss get disappeared by secret police for not reporting "the right numbers", even if he was just telling the truth, would you continue to tell the truth or would you just report "the right numbers"?
put it this way - during WW1, russia was a backwater agricultural nation. in 1917, ten nations either sent arms or actual armies into russia to try and put down the revolution and damage russia as much as possible. again after 1945, the Allies were belligerent towards russia and bombed it and invaded the eastern front (iirc, it's 3am and not 100% sure of the exact facts. churchill certainly talked a big game about killing bolsheviks as i recall). despite these factors, russia went from a shithole farmville country which had just lost the majority of its prime male population in two world wars to end up beating out the USA's economy for several years. it was the first country to put a man into space ffs. that's pretty fucking impressive however you want to spin it, considering the historical circumstances leading up to it.

also stop trying to smear the guy by associating with stalinism. what is this the 50s, congressman mccarthy? you can criticise them but let the man have his political views without shitting on them with some kind of wacky american PINKO COMMIE LIE-BERAL TRAITOR bile being spewed all over your posts jesus


you have next to no idea what my political beliefs are. i was pointing out that the guy didn't offer a solution to the problem he presented. pretty basic shit.

all these new exciting thoughts swirling around between your fontanelles and getting you all worked up - many of us have also thought before - but, by all means, keep typing because it is so rare these days to meet someone who has taken an undergraduate course in poly sci.

and John Lewis Partnership is a capitalist enterprise. :negative:


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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:15 pm 
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lol @ the idea of taking poly sci at uni, srry m8, i felt like being employed after uni. gotta pay dem bills.

maybe try expressing your views if you want to have an educated discussion on them then m8?? just a thought, i am, after all, not telepathic

ps. in what way is the john lewis partnership a capitalist enterprise? i suppose it is an enterprise which exists in a capitalist society, so it could be said to be a capitalist enterprise.

all its shares are held by a private trust, which is governed by several layers of employee elected councils, the board (half of which is elected by the councils) and the chairman. the stock only pays dividends to its partners, and there's a rule in the corporation's constitution stipulating that the pay of the highest employee may be no more than 75x the lowest (not the best, admittedly. 20x would make much more sense)

what i'm saying is i have no idea how you can simply qualify it as another capitalist enterprise in the same sense as other large companies such as say ikea or dell or whatever. i guess you could say that it's just like the employees are the shareholders instead but that's kinda missing the point i was making m8??

fancy elaborating or would u prefer to drop another attempt at condescension before rollin out??

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:26 pm 
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Nexus Kinnon wrote:
would u prefer to drop another attempt at condescension before rollin out??


no problem. you should have taken that class.

i was all like: he doesn't explain how you get to a communist society that actually makes a difference in the lives of the current objects of "cheap charity"

you were all like: he probably thinks if workers can achieve class consciousness then they will move to revolt and craft a society which is fairer than a capitalist society

i was all like: he probably thinks if workers can achieve class consciousness then they will move to revolt and craft a society which is fairer than a capitalist society

you were all like: BLURGHAMEREEKACOMMIEHATERMCCARTHIESMNEVAHNOMYLITHEEEE!!!!


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