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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:44 pm 
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he's from slovenia iirc and was an old school leftist, so he's coming at the issue from a marxist point of view - i.e.: he probably thinks if workers can achieve class consciousness then they will move to revolt and craft a society which is fairer than a capitalist society

that's just conjuncture though i admit, i haven't read enough of his philosophy to speak with authority, but that is his background. i disagree with the majority of workers will ever achieve true "class consciousness" as marx or engels imagined as traditional leftist thought believes, but i must say i'm at a loss as to what the catalyst of change will truly end up being. probably victorian style poor houses, deprivation and starvation?

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
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"dolphin safe" tuna changed things once, consumer activism yo
now it's been ruled 'unfair' though but still. there was a time


can we have more tips in the thread?

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:24 pm 
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PRO LIFE TIP:

if u r having trouble getting women:
- lift a weight
- run a mile
- make a funny
- stop being fat + sweaty + awkward

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Nexus Kinnon wrote:
PRO LIFE TIP:

if u r having trouble getting women:
- lift a weight
- run a mile
- make a funny
- stop being fat + sweaty + awkward


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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
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how does one run a mile and stop sweating.

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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
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trenny jr wrote:
how does one run a mile and stop sweating.


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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
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Nexus Kinnon wrote:
he's from slovenia iirc and was an old school leftist, so he's coming at the issue from a marxist point of view - i.e.: he probably thinks if workers can achieve class consciousness then they will move to revolt and craft a society which is fairer than a capitalist society

that's just conjuncture though i admit, i haven't read enough of his philosophy to speak with authority, but that is his background. i disagree with the majority of workers will ever achieve true "class consciousness" as marx or engels imagined as traditional leftist thought believes, but i must say i'm at a loss as to what the catalyst of change will truly end up being. probably victorian style poor houses, deprivation and starvation?


I listened to it and not sure how you got that from what he actually said. He seemed to make a fair bit of sense to me. He even said, he's not an idiot, he's not suggesting we stop charity but rather more simply pointing out that because consumer charity is making us feel 'ok' about poverty, in the sense that we are doing something, then it's stopping real substantive change from happening. He does mention that if you want to stop poverty for real then you need to change the social structure but at least in this talk he doesn't actually tell us what kind of change would accomplish this.

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Nexus Kinnon wrote:
he's from slovenia iirc and was an old school leftist, so he's coming at the issue from a marxist point of view - i.e.: he probably thinks if workers can achieve class consciousness then they will move to revolt and craft a society which is fairer than a capitalist society

that's just conjuncture though i admit, i haven't read enough of his philosophy to speak with authority, but that is his background. i disagree with the majority of workers will ever achieve true "class consciousness" as marx or engels imagined as traditional leftist thought believes, but i must say i'm at a loss as to what the catalyst of change will truly end up being. probably victorian style poor houses, deprivation and starvation?


I listened to it and not sure how you got that from what he actually said. He seemed to make a fair bit of sense to me. He even said, he's not an idiot, he's not suggesting we stop charity but rather more simply pointing out that because consumer charity is making us feel 'ok' about poverty, in the sense that we are doing something, then it's stopping real substantive change from happening. He does mention that if you want to stop poverty for real then you need to change the social structure but at least in this talk he doesn't actually tell us what kind of change would accomplish this.


without even looking the guy up i guarantee you nexus is right about this. and it's not by accident that he glosses over the parts nexus is at a loss about. that's because he is basically arguing for a planned economy, where the planners are "the people".... well, the "representatives" of the people... well, dictators essentially. But don't worry, they'll still do the right thing and not use their position to entrench their power, unlike 99.999999% of people in a similar situation throughout history (the remaining .000001% were quickly removed for lack of entrenching themselves).


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 Post subject: Re: TIPS TO GET BETTER AT LIFE ANd STPO FAILING
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:38 pm 
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nah i'm reading one of his books at the moment and he specifically says that stalinism was a monstrosity, that the soviet style system was a failure and that we need something new. he also mentions this in the video somewhere i think. i'm not sure what he thinks the next step is though - maybe he doesn't have one?

the problem with modern day leftism is that no one on the left seems to have answers, a compelling alternate vision of how the world could be. we saw the failure of "third wayism" or "triangulation" in the 90s, where clinton blair et al adopted economically rightwing politics and attempted to harness them and try to palliate some of the negative societal symptoms they caused with the means of social policies... but i think we can agree that this hasn't worked out. we now seem to be as he says, at the "end of history". the only "correct" answer is one form of capitalism or another, according to society.

this is a bit disturbing to me, but again, i don't have a compelling alternative, just knowledge and criticism of what is wrong with the current system. is modern leftism dead? idk

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