because of faggot puritans making laws, thats why

This is why imo all people should do a criminology/social justice course before they do straight law so that their first reaction to a social issue isn't jumping to the conclusion that the law needs to be more hardline. Law enforcement changes to issues such as alcohol and drugs rarely do shit to change attitudes and thus be effective. Like trenny said 'war on drugs' was literally retarded and 'harm reduction' policies are vastly more useful and move away from the 'law & order' approach. Raising to 21 literally does nothing. Do what some european countries do and get rid of the age limit all together and instead focus on changes in the way society views and deals with alcohol instead of enforcing it by law.

In regard to the minors and sex, well, just because you couldn't handle sex at a younger age doesn't mean other kids can't~ BOOSH

(Seriously though just because some people get affected doesn't mean we should be stopping every minor or even putting a negative light on it. I mean shit, you're talking about sex as if it's some evil thing)

didnt do criminology or social justice first, you just need to be not a complete retard. Making law "tougher" is actually very counterproductive in the long term, trufax.

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you have something for everyone don't you? plusing the rep.

fyi ive done criminology.


could you explain to me how in this case encouraging sex before the age of 15 by decriminalizing it and retaining current social standards (eg. sexuality as advertisement, peer pressure etc etc. will encourage less children to sleep with each other?



the real reason i would suggest that the law is there is not to directly stop children, its to keep their parents more vigilant in an age where more and more people are considering it acceptable for 14 year olds to be having sex. furthermore i already pointed out that sending children to jails over this is not the answer, so you running in after ive said that and trying to create a strawman might point out i know a few things you dont rather than the other way round.


frankly you are fucking smoking crack if you think children who wind up pregenant, who have to make decisions (or have decisions made for them) about abortions, stis and the rest of it are fine. if anything i think you take a very narrow view of why other people should be ok sleeping with other people at such a young age, and its because you want to believe you were ready from that young age. well sadly... you probably wernt. if anything had gone wrong, your life would have been so fucked it would have been amazing. and things do go wrong and people do get fucked over because children do not have the capacity to deal with that shit.

so lets go back to the thing you didnt understand. its not the sex that is the real problem here, its the massive number of ways it can go wrong for young people.



the issue with drinking age and voting age, i didnt say it would change anything. i said i would support it going up. also i believe that if we did want to address the drinking age in our society, we would almost certainly have to bump up the legal age, because its almost become standard for 18 year olds to celebrate their birthdays at nightclubs past the age of 18.

furthermore it gives grounds for governing bodies to start education about the adverse affects of alcohol, which i cant believe im actually having to argue alcohol is bad... i mean... sure i dont have a fancy link that no one else can access to make my point... but even just the diminished capacity of people who are currently on it i would argue is bad enough. (and it makes no sense to me that any drug wont have long lasting effects if its abused) like really all this sounds like to me is people are defending the things they like doing, most of you guys - sex. nrom - sex and alcohol.

could you imagine people laughing about efforts to stop them drinking till 21 if it becomes legal for them to walk into a bar at the age of 18?


sure prohibition didnt stop people drinking and the war on drugs hasnt stopped people using, but i think you have done very poorly with those analogies because there is a massive difference between a hard ban and a 3 year bump of age limits. i fully expect people to continue drinking at house parties at the age of 13, but more can be done if the age is bumped up in the way of effective education and so on.






i guess though id better go get a criminology degree so i can nod my head and agree with everyone else who thinks alcohol isnt harmful, sex cant go wrong and 13 year olds have the capacity to do everything a 21 year old can.

actually, when you put it that way... i think im good.

if they r not retarded their parents won't know shit

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could you explain to me how decriminalising something is encouraging it? Keep in mind here, in the civilised world (Victoria) it's not illegal for kids between 12-16 to have sex with each other as long as they're within 2 years. So it wouldn't be decriminalising, it would be criminalising it.

btw who said the aim is to discourage teens from having sex?




alcohol is harmful. sex can go wrong at 13 and they don't have the capacity to do everything a 21 yo can. but you know what else? who the fuck am I or you to tell people how to live their lives?

One of my housemates had her mum explain to her what she needed to know about sex, got her the pill and gave her condoms. For her parents it was absolutely fine and they were happy for her to have sex. You're putting your morality onto other people. If parents want to protect their kids and stop them having sex they should, it's not the fucking justice systems job to do so. There's a reason they call it a 'free society' m8.

Your entire argument seems to be based upon 'if it's bad for you it should be outlawed and enforced by law'. Seriously, your arguments are great for why parents should be more active with their kids in these areas but to say when something is 'bad for you' that it should be outlawed & codified in law is retarded. It's clearly an area for parents to deal with. Australia is already becoming a nanny state as it is, let alone to give the state more power to tell me how to live my life.


edit: if you want to make it illegal, but don't want to punish the kids, wtf are we arguing about? You just want to change the law so it 'looks' tougher, so that people take it more seriously or something?...