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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:25 pm 
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Halarach wrote:
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as to beating old people and women: are you saying they literally seek out women and oldies in the crowd to beat them (ofc they dont)


No, I said they randomly beat peaceful people, and there are women among those.

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hey what happened to gender equality you sexist pig


you know halarach you should join the police and give the good example, show everyone how calm you can be when
1. there is 20 of you
2. there is a 2000 men angry crowd
3. your job is to stop them from passing a certain area

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Seems to me that people who are not yet affected by the austerity measures and don't know anybody who is are least likely to understand the reaction in any way and most likely to oppose the action.
The police and army have more job security in times of unrest than at any other time and feeding their families is their priority as it is for the people who are out of hope.

In case you'd missed the lesson, because nobody is saying it, hope defeats terrorism.

I don't want to riot at this point, but I want to be clear in my mind about the point at which I would riot, because I am increasingly concerned now that I might have to, our leaders are most certainly not on our side this time, they are strictly in it for themselves and their cohorts right now. The only real difference is that they learned through observation that saying "Let them eat cake" is really fucking stupid, whereas saying "We're all in this together" seems to baffle enough of them (us) into thinking that we're all in this together.

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:02 pm 
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its good that you riot because then the politicians will feel sad and change their behavior

this isnt the arab spring there is no dictators to overthrow, hope this helps

PS: alternatively you could start a march of THE PEOPLE and seize power in the name of the common man, spoiler below for how this ends

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:08 pm 
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Halarach wrote:
peaceful people, and there are women and old people among those
Lawl, what were these peaceful women doing there (esp. if police told them to not cross the line). If you cross the line, then u accept all the consequences of that, it could be even death easily.

What makes you to do so is other question, but i'd not say these are usual 'peaceful people and women'. Once you come to riots (to 'fight for ur rights') and start breaking the rules - you're not. These women and older ppl are not any better than young men, really.


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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:25 pm 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots

Section: Consequences

Fall of Thatcher
Abandonment of the Community Charge


You might not want to read this, because it shows you that you're wrong and few people enjoy that feeling.

The riots lead directly, not indirectly, to a change in policy and a dent so bad in Thatcher she had to go.

Maybe keep beating the drum, keep thinking people are rioting because they want to and like it, like it's something to do on a nice afternoon.

How about thinking of other situations where resorting to violence and civil unrest has worked?

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Yet after all that the English voters still put the Tories back in :iiam:

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
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Bunk, Gavjack Bunk wrote:
How about thinking of other situations where resorting to violence and civil unrest has worked?
I did not say it is ineffective, I said that once you go to the riots you should be ready to take a punch in da ur face, regardless of you gender, age or social position. YOU are the one who is agressive, even if your agression was provocated.

If you don't want to see such bad bad things, where older ppl are getting hit hard by police - try to keep them away from riots. Let policemen to beat just mature men, i see that you're okay with this.


Bunk, Gavjack Bunk wrote:
Maybe keep beating the drum, keep thinking people are rioting because they want to and like it, like it's something to do on a nice afternoon.
This is bullshit. I even think most people are ready to take a hit or 2 when going out for riots (yes, even women).

I don't like when other people use it to post vids and say how bad police and government are - 'hey look they're beating my old weak grandma!'.


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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:12 pm 
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Well it's more for Company Man Gobs than yourself, but saying "They beat my grandma" is propaganda. The war is fought on many fronts, the Americans call it "Winning the hearts and minds (by shooting anybody who disagrees)" but you have to win the propaganda war to recruit new sympathisers and upgrade sympathisers to activists.

And yes, I'm perfectly fine with fighting the police, I have no objection to anybody doing it. I think of it as an absolute necessity to consider it may be required. The police are not your friend. They are not your ally. They are not there to make sure everybody is treated decently. The police's job is firstly to gather evidence to present cases to the judicial authority to prosecute people successfully, regardless of guilt. Secondarily they are to be seen as civil peacekeepers to give them a favourable public regard for their most important duty, front line security provider to the government and it's interests.
But they are most definitely not your friend and you are protected in law from the police's activities, a fact which few people even know.
In fact when they grant our police new powers, people don't tend to aggressively oppose it. They are supposed to police by consent and when powers are introduced so they don't have to gain consent to police you then it's going too far, the public relations job has been done so well that people now actually believe the police are above them and rightfully above them.

They're not and they are not supposed to be.

Serve the public trust.
Protect the innocent.
Uphold the law.

No, not even close.

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
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trenny jr wrote:
Yet after all that the English voters still put the Tories back in :iiam:


I've been thinking about Thatcher a lot lately. It seems to me that everything she did, she did in the interests of the Conservative Party, not for Britain, nor for herself, not even for England, but specifically the Conservative Party.

Yeah we put the Conservatives back in, but it wasn't really that bad once she'd gone, John Major, Ian Duncan Smith, it was like watching a load of kids playing conkers. Eventually of course they tore themselves apart over Europe and handed the country over to Evil Fucker Blair. They even warned us about him...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/news/vote2001/hi/english/features/newsid_1359000/1359332.stm
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But making it personal can backfire, as with the infamous 1997 Conservative advert showing Labour's Tony Blair with demonic eyes.

That was too heavy handed for the electorate, since most people didn't regard Mr Blair as an evil threat, says Mr Singleton.


We now know, this was a warning, because we're outside their circle we weren't to know the things about that evil shit that they knew. Although his views on wanting his own war to hang his name that he's held since his college days are now more widely known. But what could the Conservatives have said in their campaign?
"We know this one is fucking evil, please don't vote for him", they would have been sued in every court.

But we were warned, we just didn't know to listen.

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Bunk, Gavjack Bunk wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots

Section: Consequences

Fall of Thatcher
Abandonment of the Community Charge


You might not want to read this, because it shows you that you're wrong and few people enjoy that feeling.

The riots lead directly, not indirectly, to a change in policy and a dent so bad in Thatcher she had to go.

Maybe keep beating the drum, keep thinking people are rioting because they want to and like it, like it's something to do on a nice afternoon.


Good call lets riot every day so we will never have to pay a dime in taxes amirite.

Also your example refers to a specific tax they wanted to block. Most of the spanish protest the lack of jobs (52% youth unemployment rate nigga wassup) and the government in general; which accomplishes jackshit

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