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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:43 pm 
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Bunk, Gavjack Bunk wrote:
propaganda
Yes.

Maybe i was wrong when thought that post was supposed to be unbiased.


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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:55 pm 
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admiral mariobros wrote:
Bunk, Gavjack Bunk wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots

Section: Consequences

Fall of Thatcher
Abandonment of the Community Charge


You might not want to read this, because it shows you that you're wrong and few people enjoy that feeling.

The riots lead directly, not indirectly, to a change in policy and a dent so bad in Thatcher she had to go.

Maybe keep beating the drum, keep thinking people are rioting because they want to and like it, like it's something to do on a nice afternoon.


Good call lets riot every day so we will never have to pay a dime in taxes amirite.

Also your example refers to a specific tax they wanted to block. Most of the spanish protest the lack of jobs (52% youth unemployment rate nigga wassup) and the government in general; which accomplishes jackshit


Yes cupcake, they're rioting because they want to, they enjoy it, they don't really feel a need to, they're just doing it because they might win an online competition or something?

It does not accomplish jackshit as you say, it focusses the governments attention from protecting banker's interests to protecting their own interests. You'll see. Well you won't. You will, but you won't see it. If you see what I mean, which you won't, because you're determined not to. But let's try to think where you'd be right now if violence didn't work.

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:56 pm 
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Kadesh wrote:
Bunk, Gavjack Bunk wrote:
propaganda
Yes.

Maybe i was wrong when thought that post was supposed to be unbiased.


I don't think there is such a thing as unbiased, and if there was, nobody would read it because it would be hella boring.

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:05 pm 
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Yes, a lot of young people go to demonstrations because they have nothing better to do / skip school / its fun. Not to mention the unemployed. I have been to a few demonstrations during high school as I expect most people here have and I doubt things have changed since then.

Fyi: most of those people couldnt be bothered voting.

PS: I am also willing to accept the attitude might be very different between the mediterranean countries and the uk. Perhaps your youngsters are way more responsible with their rioting and political activ- OH SHIT FREE IPODS BURN IT ALL DOWN

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:32 pm 
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Well I keep dragging you back from pretending this is about students and ipods or whatever other nonsense, absolute nonsense you keep writing. I show you pure evidence that violent unrest works, you reject it because truth is inconveniently against what you believe and you keep dragging yourself back to the nonsense position that it's all about teenagers.
To talk further to you about this is pointless because you are determined to believe something you have no evidence for despite evidence presented nullifying it, surely amongst the worst kinds of ignorance.

Shall we call it "You win" because that really is the only thing you're going to accept?
Yeah, call it that. Call it anything you like. After all, you've won it in true Tippia style.
(Ignore everything, keep talking nonsense, keep touting own opinion as fact and making non-relevant retorts till they give up and go home)

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:38 pm 
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your only argument so far is that this one riot 20 years ago accomplished something, hth


e: to spell it out, nobody is arguing civil unrest never works - it just not always work, and especially not when its this generic angry protests against THE MAN

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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:29 am 
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Jesus christ Gobbins you are completely out of touch with the world, are you living in a lab or something?

People riot because they are desperate. They cannot feed their families, are not being paid etc. it's not "WE WANT IPODS FOR FREE".

They are protesting because democracy has been confiscated, too, that is secondary but those that can still eat manifest against that, non-violently (still, until)

Read : we are supposed to decide collectively for our destiny within a democracy yet some smart asses have decided since 10 years or so that the people are too stupid to decide for themselves and thus that referendum, for example, are not to be used anymore, or ignored if people voted wrong, sometimes they have to revote 3 times until the right answer is given what the fuck is that? They are doing the opposite of what they were elected for, sometimes they are appointed without anybody being consulted. Some smart asses have decided there is money for wars in Mali or Syria but no money for medicaments for their own people, but we voted for them, so it's fine?

Are you saying we're not supposed to say publicly we disagree?


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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:53 am 
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I've got impression that they're living too good to be desperate.

Do they live in shared apartment already, with 10 other ppl in 3 rooms (i lived for a long time with 5 in 2, that was already bad), barely have enough $$ to pay for food? You can live like this just fine.

If someone wants to take even this away from you - that's really scary. Else - they fight for their rights, they fight so that their living 'level' won't drop. They want to keep visiting cinema, having their own flat, having 'free ipods' etc etc.


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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
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Kadesh wrote:
I've got impression that they're living too good to be desperate.

Do they live in shared apartment already, with 10 other ppl in 3 rooms (i lived for a long time with 5 in 2, that was already bad), barely have enough $$ to pay for food? You can live like this just fine.

If someone wants to take even this away from you - that's really scary. Else - they fight for their rights, they fight so that their living 'level' won't drop. They want to keep visiting cinema, having their own flat, having 'free ipods' etc etc.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 22614.html


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 Post subject: Re: EUROPEAN PPL RALLY NOW
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Halarach wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303506404577446302677322614.html

they should just loan some monies from banks, pay the working people, and then pay the loan later when they got more monies v0v if they don't get the monies later, their business bad and should go down anyway or whateve.

what is so hard :iiam:

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